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welcome to the skeptic zone the podcast

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from Australia for science and reason

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hello and welcome to the skeptic zone

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episode number 337 for the fifth of

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april 2015 richardsaunders here with you

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are enjoying Sydney skeptics in the pub

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with me are a couple of people I think

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you know it's joe alabaster and may not

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here holding the mic and waving it

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around alert at it well done may not yes

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we here having a great time at Sydney's

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skeptics in the pub had a really

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interesting talk tonight about fad diets

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may not have you ever been on a fad diet

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well I have a bit of an Oprah thing

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going on in that I fat busted my house

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which or despite having the Oprah thing

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in there it isn't but our Gabrielle told

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me wasn't a bad idea just get all chips

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chocolate biscuits ice cream ah da house

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so if you do feel like having it it's

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not there and the service station shut

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by the time I feel like having it so I'm

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right it sounds like good advice to me

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me although the all musi bachelor diet

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she wasn't so keen on but you'll have to

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have a listen to that later I've had

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some pretty strange diets in my time I

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must admit but the best diet I've ever

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discovered is they eat less exercise

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more diet which is the basic one what

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about you Joe oh goodness i'm actually

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calorie counting at the moment and i'm

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wondering going on Gabriel's talk

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whether i'm going to send myself a bit

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crazy with it yeah okis god that can get

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a little obsessive too ok when you're

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dealing with straight numbers like that

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yes certainly yeah well you've been

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calorie counting for quite some time but

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every time I ringer you at the gym I

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don't think you're actually exercising I

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think you're having a beer there but

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it's very nice anyway that you'd go

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there Richard it's that sort of Jimmy

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that's not a gym coming up on this

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week's show I talk to dr. Karen Landsman

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from Israel about her efforts to help

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combat the anti-vaccination movement in

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that country is it quite strong sadly so

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yeah there's a there's a foothold there

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but dr. Karen lensman and her friends

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are doing something about it we'll find

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out more about that soon we have also a

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report from Joe alabaster Alvin Williams

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evidence please yeah what do you want

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about this week I'm on about world

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homeopathy Awareness Week and raising

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awareness about homeopathy

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hmm and what do you think's the

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strangest thing you've learned about

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hoping up I thing as you've looked into

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it oh goodness me um the thing I

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actually find strangest is the number of

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homeopathy proponents who are willing to

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I've already addressed or they're not

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argument they're trying to make per se

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so much is just making the argument

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again and again and again without

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actually getting into it oh ok that's

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experience does it reduce you've had

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that happen on the internet if if you

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any sleep I don't get any sleep and also

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could give them some advice on plot

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lines or plot devices or just a good

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story line for them I think that's a

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really good idea Maynard I'm sure that

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the producers of The X Files get

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inundated with letters from skeptics

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though I do believe the show did it was

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originally going to be a series of

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documentaries a bit like in search of

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but they decided that it would probably

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float better if they did it as a

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fictionalized thing I enjoyed it you

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series I think it'll be something to sit

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back and binge-watch with popcorn why

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not hmm you look at a Gillian Anderson

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the first season there she was thrown

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medical background I think she did very

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wallet but she was actually going to

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stay on the series because because they

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acting and next day you've got to be a

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back inside to the main room now

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everybody's having a good time crack

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enjoying that I hope you enjoy the

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well the anti-vaccination story of

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course is all around the world it's not

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States and Canada and oh man did great

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britain to and parts of europe where the

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force there's also a problem with this

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in of all places Israel and joining me

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on the line now all the way from near

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Tel Aviv is dr. Karen Landsman hello hey

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morning its a bright beautiful day here

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recording this it's Saturday here but I

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think it's very late for you on Friday

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now you guys okay you very very grateful

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cup of tea to try and keep warm and

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you're chatting to me I said I think

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it's just the opposite it's just the

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opposite this limit yeah it's good it's

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prize for whoever invented air

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that good luck with that now can before

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spaceship sorry it's an online show we

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campaign vaccination campaign and the

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it's what i like most of those people

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but why why do we need to say anything

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nobody got fired because we used a lot

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we realized that we can't just stop I

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knowledgeable or from knowledge and it's

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a volunteering Association if

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everybody's volunteer nobody's getting

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paid unfortunately we would love to get

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paid but you know and it is dedicated to

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spread the science-based medicine to the

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public that's fantastic and I noticed

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that your kind enough to send me a

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little bit of information just over the

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benefit of our listeners and especially

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especially if you're listening to us

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from Israel the website to go to is

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madad o que el which is mid-1800s IL and

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what can people discover at that website

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well they can learn about us they can

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see a lot of data about different

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childhood diseases different

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during pregnancy immunizations in your

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adulthood obviously all childhood

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vaccinations everything in the in the

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plan that every child gets from the air

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from the minute he is born till they're

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two years old and sick see ya yeah so

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it's great to see that that you've got a

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strong online presence there and what

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does that mean really how can people

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benefit from well that the mid org dot i

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IL and anything else you're doing online

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well we've got very active Facebook

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groups different facebook groups

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dedicated two different questions mainly

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for parents mainly targeting parents and

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we've got lots of questions there do I

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sleep the vaccines can I postpone them

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what do I do what are the meanie my kid

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got vaccinated two days ago now he's got

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a fever and the rash what do I do and

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then you give different advices usually

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we start with go see your doctor we

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don't give medical I survive that's

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always good adviser thank you but then

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you start giving you know they're very

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easy questions do and measles mumps and

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rubella give autism no here are the

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arguments why do what do you do with all

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this

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one of the favorite arguments here is to

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many vaccinations it's a huge load on

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the immune system the my poor child

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can't handle that then you start

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explaining how the immune system works

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how vaccinations work everything and its

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really it's actually great because you

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get to talk to people you get to talk to

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a lot of people because it's not only

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the person you're talking with online

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it's all also the people who are reading

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the discussion later and are benefitting

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from it this is very interesting indeed

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because it sounds to me like the

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questions you're getting and the

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concerns you're getting are from people

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who have read all the nonsense on the

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internet from the anti-vaxxers because

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we hear the exactly the same sort of

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arguments it's you know what's really

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amazing I once looked at the arguments

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against smallpox vaccine in the 19th in

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the eighteen seventy something it was

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exactly the same arguments exactly the

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same amazing including the you'd better

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catch smallpox in real life then getting

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vaccinated because the vaccine is

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horrible and the disease is really minor

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and it's smallpox it's the thing that I

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should percent death rate on a good day

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well I you may have heard that but the

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people in Australia that and I'm sure in

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other parts of the world the

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anti-vaccination people many of them

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insists that their measles and mumps and

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these sort of diseases are natural

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wonderful things and children should get

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them and just be sick for a few days and

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they're all happy and lovely afterwards

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oh and it gives him a growth boost

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that's my favorite part you see them

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very sick and that they have a growth

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sprite and I right yeah he was sick for

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a week of course it's gonna be happy to

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get out of bed and run why do you want

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your kids to be sick we have different

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by the way one of the interesting thing

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is what brought everybody to our group

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to me that we have I mean I'm obviously

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a doctor and I've got

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pediatricians and we've got GPS and got

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all different doctors and nurses or well

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we're there because it's what we do but

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then you look at the different

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volunteers and some of them are parents

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and some of them are people who were

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actually are well how shall I put it you

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know they're sick term the vaccine it

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not like to see an injury then there's

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this medical term they use you know what

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I'm talking about the my child is

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damaged no damn it vaccine damage I know

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what it's like in Hebrews I'm just using

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the term English it's the Jenny McCarthy

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claim my child was hurt by vaccines

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man-eaters back they'll say they're

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either vaccine in judo vaccine damage

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vaccine injured mass itself we've got

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we've got [\h__\h] vaccine injured people

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in our group and by vaccine injured I

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mean we have one of our wonderful

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volunteers who whose immune system isn't

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working cuz she had the bone marrow

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transplant in her past and now if she

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will even see a child with measles she

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might die and we have another volunteer

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of very major leading character who got

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produces because nobody vaccinate

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against pertussis in her hometown so she

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got produces she was really really sick

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and she cracked a rib while coughing

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from purchases so we've got vaccine

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injured people lack of anti-vaxxers

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injured people oh that's that's terrible

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because in our past him we can read

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reports of children with pertussis or

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whooping cough breaking ribs and all

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sorts of things from violent coughing it

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must be just so bad and now of course

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Israel is a very different country to

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Australia what's the medical situation

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is is it difficult to get vaccinations

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out to the population in Israel well no

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that's the funny thing vaccines are are

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not obligatory by law but they're free

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they are giving for free but for every

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child everybody don't even have to be

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citizen in order to get them we have

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refugees who have no legal study and

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they still get vaccines when they get to

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Israel it's really released to get them

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there's world shortage of whooping cough

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vaccine right now but other than that I

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mean that affects the entire world no

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other than that it's really easy to get

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vaccines and and there's no reason not

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to get them unless you read all this

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well misconception and lies on the

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internet and you think that vaccine will

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give you a third eye or something it's

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yeah what it it's it's true because as

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we can now see it's a real problem

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worldwide of these well-meaning parents

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worried about their children going to

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the internet looking up vaccinations

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what should I do or something like that

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maybe they're even tried to look up the

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best way to get their children

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vaccinated and as soon as they put their

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search in up comes our conspiracy

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theories and nonsense and discredited

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arguments but they're they're put in

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such a way or leader that they seem real

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and I'm sure a lot of parents get scared

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yeah I mean if you look for vaccines in

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Hebrew you get the Ministry of Health

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site which is you know an official site

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and nobody can trust it because it's

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official and you get one site from a

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hospital called falsin hospital which is

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a great site but it's just one site and

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that's it the entire web in Hebrew up

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until a few months ago was entirely made

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out of conspiracy theorists and that's

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it that's this one of the reasons we've

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got me that is to have more data online

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to come up with search engines wow that

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that's that that's that's frightening

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that's frightening but I'm very glad

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that that people like you can see that

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there is a need for something like me

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data and get yourselves organized and

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get it together so I'm very pleased that

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you've had the opportunity to speak to

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the skeptic zone today about it

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we should have been done with Polly know

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what's so frustrating about this folio

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situation two years ago polio was

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supposed to have been eradicated ten

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years ago we shouldn't have had this

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problem to begin with it's only because

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anti-vaxxers that we have it it's

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driving me insane insane I tell you now

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for the benefit for the benefit of the

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listeners out there we're actually

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skyping so i can see Karen at the moment

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and she's going insane as I look at her

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she's very animated and i can tell you

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you're very very passionate about this

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topic it's horrible because you know i

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work we have so many problems so many

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health problems I can't single handedly

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eliminate diabetes and I can't prevent

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cancer and I can't prevent stroke and I

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can't prevent so many causes of deaths

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but we can prevent those things we can

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prevent polio we can prevent reasons we

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can prevent all of those diseases and

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people aren't getting vaccinated I mean

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the thing with whooping cough you start

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vaccinating pregnant women to to protect

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their babies in the first two months of

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lives and and the anti-vaxxers instead

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of looking it and says look how

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wonderful it is we can protect the child

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before we can actually vaccinate him

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they look at it and say oh no this six

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in safe because it wasn't tested

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properly and then when you tell them of

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course it was tested probably look at

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all the data and they say no no it was

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never designed to be tested like that we

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should have this at-bat land come on

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sorry yes I and I'm keeping up keeping

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my voice down you are you are you're

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very you're very young she is folks

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she's really restraining yourself I mean

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I Bagatelle but but but of course the

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arguments you're telling me and now I'll

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do it it's amazing it's just the same

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thing all around the world that's I

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guess that's the good thing and the bad

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thing about the Internet is that all the

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good arguments you can have access to

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and all the bad arguments as well so

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it's so important it's so important that

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people like you are online being active

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and putting this

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information together for the people

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where you live and even if I was

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speaking to you and you are from from

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Russia or Sweden or the UK or Canada or

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Mexico or China it doesn't matter you're

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someone local doing something for the

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people where you live to counter these

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worldwide arguments and I think that's a

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very good thing oh you actually asked

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what we what you can do for me that and

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if you speak Hebrew if any of your

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listeners speak Hebrew we do need help

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translating stuff and we do need help

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online presence so if you do speak

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Hebrew please contact us and we can use

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you and we will benefit you with hugs

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and cookies except the cookies perhaps

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they don't work it almost makes me want

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to run out and learn Hebrew right now

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but of course the skeptic zone has many

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many listeners around the world and I'm

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sure many hebrew-speaking listeners so

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there's that there's your cue my friends

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head to mid-80s IL and you can find out

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a lot more information but for now dr.

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Karen landsman's thank you so much I'm

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glad we managed to hook up we had a

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slight confusion about the weird time

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zones between Sydney and Tel Aviv this

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morning which meant that we we had out

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lots of wires crossed but we finally we

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finally made contact and I'm very

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pleased we did I'm really glad to have

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met you you're really nice person I'm

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really glad to be on skeptic zone as

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well oh thank you very much dr. Karen

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lads but I hope you have a good rest of

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your evening thank you I hope you have a

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hey svenska skeptical the vet valid

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veteran scope for billing in the boy to

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none hanger of the skeptic zone the

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Tanakh so are fearful dog poop science

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quiz of skeptical cafe on thomasville

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queen pave very pumped for Punta safe at

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spawn I involve a luger luke alphania

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hun tamilanda Top Gun warmly boo

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installed identity is non-local training

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boffin to start I'm 12 your bottom add a

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new hello all skeptics in Sweden I'm

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sure you already know that the Swedish

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skeptics Association not only is a big

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fan of the skeptic zone but that we also

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organize lectures pop science quiz and

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skeptics in the pub all over the country

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go to ww vof se to see what are seven

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local chapters are up to and if you live

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in a place where there is no local

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chapter why not start on yourself I'm

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welcome to a week in science from our oz

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bringing you the science you need

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tonight mmm chocolate one of the world's

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favorite sweet foods words cannot

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the cacao bean the key ingredients of

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chocolate originates from South America

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and was brought to Europe by the Spanish

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in the 16th century since then there

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have been a number of benefits being

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promoted however research has started to

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show you that chocolate may indeed have

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a number of good effects on our health

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in particular Coco's and rich source of

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flavonols chemicals which have an

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anti-inflammatory effect they accumulate

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in the brain regions involved in

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learning and memory especially the

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hippocampus flavonols have also been

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shown to increase blood flow to the

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brain while this doesn't necessarily

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mean that chocolate will make you

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smarter well it can't hurt there is also

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evidence try and Coco's benefits for the

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heart and circulation including reducing

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blood pressure by relaxing vessel

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muscles dark chocolate reduces platelet

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aggregation and blood vessels which

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might help prevent blockages which can

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result in heart attacks we've only

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touched on the health benefits of

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chocolate there is also evidence that

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has positive effects on cholesterol

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insulin resistance and blood vessel

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function and improves mood and

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well-being it should be noted though

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that the processing of coco de chocolate

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reduces the flavonoid content so studies

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which show an effect using cocoa may not

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necessarily have the same effect using

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processed chocolate as always talk to

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your doctor about the best health plan

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for you and now for fast facts about our

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favorite sweet food cacao beans the base

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ingredients of chocolate were used by

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the Aztecs as a form of currency cacao

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beans grow inside pods with each pod

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containing around 40 beans forty-three

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percent of Nobel Prize winners eat

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chocolate more than twice per week

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compared to just twenty-five percent of

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the general public and while we're

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talking about Nobel prizes countries

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with the highest chocolate consumption

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also have the most Nobel Prize winners

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that's it for this week in science wants

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to find out more about chocolate who

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wouldn't go to the Arias website are I a

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USDA you follow us on twitter at ra oz

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and like us on facebook i'm ben lewis

633
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on Maynard calm da are you Morrissey is

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some singer from some band called the

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Johnsons they were sort of big in the

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80s whatever that might mean he's now

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touring or is he round the world or is

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it explaining to people occasionally

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through song how they should behave how

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they should dance and never through

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dance you never explained through Dan he

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never explains through downtown Jones

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job that's how a Jones's job is playing

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at the Opera House or is he he has a

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couple of orders that he's given his

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clicked his heel and he has demanded

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that the Opera House not serve any food

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containing meet anytime he's in the

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building anywhere in the building he

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just wants people to either been

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drinking water or eating vegetables just

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vegetables by themselves you can imagine

653
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the horror I'm not going to be told by

654
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some English dweeb who sings only one

655
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dododo like a car alarm how I'm supposed

656
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to behave what I'm supposed to eat and

657
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what I'm supposed to wear Morrissey step

658
00:29:34,930 --> 00:29:29,880
off that has been Tim Ferguson's right

659
00:29:49,130 --> 00:29:45,140
on Maynard calm day you what we want is

660
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some more evidence please is Joe

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00:29:53,279 --> 00:29:58,790
hello this is Joe alabaster

662
00:30:03,870 --> 00:30:01,590
world homeopathy Awareness Week is

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approaching once again to take place

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from the 10th to the 16th of April 2015

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last year's World homeopathy Awareness

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Week took place just as the NHMRC s

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draft information paper examining

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evidence on the effectiveness of

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homeopathy entreating health conditions

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had been made public which led to a

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substantial amount of awareness raising

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via the media that homeopathy is not an

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effective modality similarly this year

674
00:30:32,850 --> 00:30:31,090
world homeopathy Awareness Week is

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taking place the month following the

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release of the NHMRC s completed review

677
00:30:40,620 --> 00:30:38,650
on homeopathy this review has led to

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headlines stating the findings that

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homeopathy is no more effective than a

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placebo which makes this and find public

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awareness of homeopathy from an

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evidence-based perspective world

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homeopathy awareness week's theme 4 2015

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is homeopathy for infectious diseases

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now there is no evidence for nor

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plausible mechanism by which homeopathy

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can be of any use in treating infectious

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disease and I feel that it's highly

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unethical and very dangerous to mislead

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people by claiming such particularly in

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the midst of the u.s. is current measles

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outbreak and the ongoing Ebola epidemic

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00:31:22,080 --> 00:31:19,930
in West Africa the belief that homeo

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prophylaxis also referred to as

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homeopathic vaccination provides any

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protection from diseases which ought to

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be prevented with immunization leads to

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parents falsely assuming that they've

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00:31:36,630 --> 00:31:33,310
adequately addressed preventative health

700
00:31:39,630 --> 00:31:36,640
care this false sense of safety is both

701
00:31:42,030 --> 00:31:39,640
incredibly dangerous and cruel homeo

702
00:31:44,670 --> 00:31:42,040
prophylaxis and homeopathy in general

703
00:31:46,170 --> 00:31:44,680
cheats consumers into believing that

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00:31:50,730 --> 00:31:46,180
they're looking after their own and

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00:31:52,560 --> 00:31:50,740
their children's health speaking of

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00:31:54,750 --> 00:31:52,570
unreliable and non-credible health

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00:31:56,910 --> 00:31:54,760
advice the organizers of world

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homeopathy Awareness Week have uploaded

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an image as their cover photo on the

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facebook page for world homeopathy

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00:32:06,330 --> 00:32:03,700
Awareness Week 2015 featuring a pro

712
00:32:11,400 --> 00:32:06,340
homeopathy quote attributed to mahatma

713
00:32:12,330 --> 00:32:11,410
gandhi quote homeopathy cures a larger

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00:32:14,760 --> 00:32:12,340
percentage of cake

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00:32:17,519 --> 00:32:14,770
than any other method of treatment and

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00:32:20,070 --> 00:32:17,529
is beyond doubt a safe economical and

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00:32:25,110 --> 00:32:20,080
the most complete medical science end

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00:32:27,570 --> 00:32:25,120
quote Mahatma Gandhi is a widely

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00:32:30,480 --> 00:32:27,580
influential and highly esteemed man a

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peace activist civil rights pioneer and

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the preeminent leader of the

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independence movement in British ruled

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India his philosophies regarding human

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rights and nonviolent civil disobedience

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00:32:45,810 --> 00:32:42,010
and the nature of humanity are valued by

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00:32:47,909 --> 00:32:45,820
many people worldwide did to disqualify

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00:32:51,180 --> 00:32:47,919
him to speak on matters of medicine

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00:32:53,549 --> 00:32:51,190
health with any authority though he had

729
00:32:56,250 --> 00:32:53,559
no medical training or expertise he was

730
00:32:58,380 --> 00:32:56,260
educated in law but nonetheless pender

731
00:33:01,350 --> 00:32:58,390
treat eyes on health matters in which he

732
00:33:02,700 --> 00:33:01,360
noted quote I have arrived at certain

733
00:33:05,190 --> 00:33:02,710
definite conclusions from that

734
00:33:09,080 --> 00:33:05,200
experience and are now set them down for

735
00:33:11,940 --> 00:33:09,090
the benefit of my readers and quote a

736
00:33:14,430 --> 00:33:11,950
guide to health by Mahatma Gandhi is

737
00:33:17,430 --> 00:33:14,440
available as a free ebook courtesy of

738
00:33:19,200 --> 00:33:17,440
Project Gutenberg it contains some quite

739
00:33:21,269 --> 00:33:19,210
fantastic claims and philosophies about

740
00:33:23,730 --> 00:33:21,279
the human body and the nature of disease

741
00:33:29,730 --> 00:33:23,740
which are generally described as ill

742
00:33:31,560 --> 00:33:29,740
informed for example quote the world is

743
00:33:35,909 --> 00:33:31,570
compounded of the five elements earth

744
00:33:38,549 --> 00:33:35,919
water air fire and ether so too is our

745
00:33:41,490 --> 00:33:38,559
body it is a sort of miniature world

746
00:33:44,100 --> 00:33:41,500
hence the body stands in need of all the

747
00:33:47,700 --> 00:33:44,110
elements in due proportion pure earth

748
00:33:50,789 --> 00:33:47,710
pure water purifier or sunlight pure air

749
00:33:53,070 --> 00:33:50,799
and open space when any one of these

750
00:33:57,720 --> 00:33:53,080
fall short of its due proportion illness

751
00:34:02,820 --> 00:33:57,730
is caused in the body end quote on the

752
00:34:05,940 --> 00:34:02,830
course of fever quote as most fevers are

753
00:34:08,190 --> 00:34:05,950
caused by disorders of the bowels the

754
00:34:11,220 --> 00:34:08,200
very first thing to do is to starve the

755
00:34:13,460 --> 00:34:11,230
patient it is a mere superstition that a

756
00:34:16,079 --> 00:34:13,470
weak man will get weaker by starving as

757
00:34:18,180 --> 00:34:16,089
we have already seen only that portion

758
00:34:20,430 --> 00:34:18,190
of our food is really useful which is

759
00:34:24,119 --> 00:34:20,440
assimilated into the blood and the

760
00:34:26,190 --> 00:34:24,129
remainder only clogs the bowels in fever

761
00:34:27,930 --> 00:34:26,200
the digestive organs are very weak

762
00:34:30,629 --> 00:34:27,940
the tongue gets coated and the lips are

763
00:34:32,399 --> 00:34:30,639
hard and dry if any food is given to the

764
00:34:36,089 --> 00:34:32,409
patient in this condition it will remain

765
00:34:37,889 --> 00:34:36,099
undigested and aid to the fever starving

766
00:34:40,710 --> 00:34:37,899
the patient gives his digestive organs

767
00:34:42,540 --> 00:34:40,720
time to perform their work hence the

768
00:34:47,389 --> 00:34:42,550
need to stop him for a day or two and

769
00:34:51,780 --> 00:34:47,399
quote now here's Gandhi on smallpox

770
00:34:53,669 --> 00:34:51,790
quote in fact it is caused just like

771
00:34:56,310 --> 00:34:53,679
other diseases by the blood getting

772
00:34:58,740 --> 00:34:56,320
impure owing to some disorder of the

773
00:35:00,750 --> 00:34:58,750
bowels and the poison that accumulates

774
00:35:03,859 --> 00:35:00,760
in the system is expelled in the form of

775
00:35:08,339 --> 00:35:03,869
smallpox if this view is correct and

776
00:35:10,079 --> 00:35:08,349
quote it isn't quote then there is

777
00:35:13,859 --> 00:35:10,089
absolutely no need to be afraid of

778
00:35:15,900 --> 00:35:13,869
smallpox if it were really a contagious

779
00:35:18,060 --> 00:35:15,910
disease everyone should catch it by

780
00:35:21,859 --> 00:35:18,070
merely touching the patient but this is

781
00:35:24,450 --> 00:35:21,869
not always the case and quote

782
00:35:28,940 --> 00:35:24,460
incidentally Gandhi is highly quotable

783
00:35:31,710 --> 00:35:28,950
by anti-vaccination campaigners quote

784
00:35:33,809 --> 00:35:31,720
vaccination is a barbarous practice and

785
00:35:36,780 --> 00:35:33,819
it is one of the most fatal of all

786
00:35:38,790 --> 00:35:36,790
delusions current in our time not to be

787
00:35:44,069 --> 00:35:38,800
found even among the so-called savage

788
00:35:47,370 --> 00:35:44,079
races of the world end quote on first

789
00:35:49,290 --> 00:35:47,380
aid for burns quote if the skin has

790
00:35:50,730 --> 00:35:49,300
simply got red by the burn there is no

791
00:35:53,520 --> 00:35:50,740
more effective remedy than the

792
00:35:54,990 --> 00:35:53,530
application of a mud poultice if the

793
00:35:57,300 --> 00:35:55,000
fingers have been burt care should be

794
00:35:58,880 --> 00:35:57,310
taken when the poultice is applied that

795
00:36:01,349 --> 00:35:58,890
they do not touch against one another

796
00:36:04,079 --> 00:36:01,359
this same treatment may be applied in

797
00:36:09,329 --> 00:36:04,089
cases of acid burns and scalds of every

798
00:36:11,370 --> 00:36:09,339
description end quote Gandhi himself

799
00:36:13,559 --> 00:36:11,380
ruminated on whether indeed he was

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00:36:18,240 --> 00:36:13,569
qualified or correct in writing on

801
00:36:20,460 --> 00:36:18,250
health matters quote one question which

802
00:36:22,980 --> 00:36:20,470
I've asked myself again and again in the

803
00:36:25,950 --> 00:36:22,990
course of writing this book is why I of

804
00:36:28,380 --> 00:36:25,960
all persons should write it is there any

805
00:36:30,510 --> 00:36:28,390
justification at all for one like me who

806
00:36:32,130 --> 00:36:30,520
am no doctor and whose knowledge of the

807
00:36:34,770 --> 00:36:32,140
matters dealt with in these pages must

808
00:36:37,829 --> 00:36:34,780
be necessarily imperfect attempting to

809
00:36:38,760 --> 00:36:37,839
write a book of this kind my defense is

810
00:36:41,220 --> 00:36:38,770
this

811
00:36:43,860 --> 00:36:41,230
the science of medicine is itself based

812
00:36:46,890 --> 00:36:43,870
on imperfect knowledge most of it being

813
00:36:48,930 --> 00:36:46,900
mere quackery but this book at any rate

814
00:36:51,990 --> 00:36:48,940
has been prompted by the purest of

815
00:36:54,150 --> 00:36:52,000
motives the attempt is here made not so

816
00:36:55,800 --> 00:36:54,160
much to show how to cure diseases as to

817
00:36:58,050 --> 00:36:55,810
point out the means of preventing them

818
00:36:59,400 --> 00:36:58,060
and a little reflection will show that

819
00:37:01,680 --> 00:36:59,410
the prevention of disease is

820
00:37:03,200 --> 00:37:01,690
comparatively simple matter not

821
00:37:05,880 --> 00:37:03,210
requiring much specialist knowledge

822
00:37:07,880 --> 00:37:05,890
although it is by no means an easy thing

823
00:37:10,950 --> 00:37:07,890
to put these principles into practice

824
00:37:13,740 --> 00:37:10,960
our object has been to show the unity of

825
00:37:15,420 --> 00:37:13,750
origin and treatment of all diseases so

826
00:37:17,280 --> 00:37:15,430
that all people may learn to treat their

827
00:37:20,250 --> 00:37:17,290
diseases themselves when they do arise

828
00:37:22,290 --> 00:37:20,260
as they often do in spite of great care

829
00:37:27,540 --> 00:37:22,300
in the observance of the laws of health

830
00:37:29,610 --> 00:37:27,550
and quote unfortunately pure motives are

831
00:37:31,830 --> 00:37:29,620
not enough when it comes to dispensing

832
00:37:33,900 --> 00:37:31,840
health advice and nor was Gandhi

833
00:37:36,270 --> 00:37:33,910
necessarily qualified to pass judgement

834
00:37:39,450 --> 00:37:36,280
that most science-based medicine is mere

835
00:37:41,910 --> 00:37:39,460
quackery it's also pertinent to remember

836
00:37:44,310 --> 00:37:41,920
that Gandhi wrote this tree ties in 1921

837
00:37:46,020 --> 00:37:44,320
our body of knowledge in the field of

838
00:37:49,230 --> 00:37:46,030
medicine has grown immensely over the

839
00:37:51,330 --> 00:37:49,240
past century I invite you to have a

840
00:37:53,400 --> 00:37:51,340
fossick around a guide to health his

841
00:37:55,230 --> 00:37:53,410
thoughts on chastity and childbirth are

842
00:37:57,150 --> 00:37:55,240
quite amazing and come to your own

843
00:37:59,190 --> 00:37:57,160
conclusions as to whether you think he's

844
00:38:01,860 --> 00:37:59,200
a reputable source of health advice I

845
00:38:04,080 --> 00:38:01,870
ask you then to consider whether the

846
00:38:06,570 --> 00:38:04,090
endorsement of homeopathy is cited by

847
00:38:08,190 --> 00:38:06,580
world homeopathy Awareness Week holds

848
00:38:10,740 --> 00:38:08,200
much gravitas when you are aware of

849
00:38:15,090 --> 00:38:10,750
Gandhi's ideas on health and medicine in

850
00:38:17,010 --> 00:38:15,100
general finally please take into account

851
00:38:19,500 --> 00:38:17,020
what's possibly the icing on the cake

852
00:38:21,750 --> 00:38:19,510
here I've not been able to find any

853
00:38:23,850 --> 00:38:21,760
evidence that the quote used by world

854
00:38:27,060 --> 00:38:23,860
homeopathy Awareness Week can be

855
00:38:28,890 --> 00:38:27,070
reasonably attributed to Gandhi neither

856
00:38:31,560 --> 00:38:28,900
of skeptics on Stack Exchange or

857
00:38:33,870 --> 00:38:31,570
commenters on a poster or acts like

858
00:38:35,610 --> 00:38:33,880
wires Twitter users zeno double O one

859
00:38:38,070 --> 00:38:35,620
has been searching for an original

860
00:38:39,660 --> 00:38:38,080
source for the quote to no avail but he

861
00:38:42,450 --> 00:38:39,670
has found some examples of Gandhi

862
00:38:45,570 --> 00:38:42,460
mentioning homeopathy seemingly not in a

863
00:38:47,910 --> 00:38:45,580
favorable light the only place i found

864
00:38:49,920 --> 00:38:47,920
the gandhi quote homeopathy cures a

865
00:38:51,780 --> 00:38:49,930
larger percentage of cases than any

866
00:38:52,529 --> 00:38:51,790
other method of treatment and is beyond

867
00:38:54,359 --> 00:38:52,539
doubt a safe

868
00:38:58,019 --> 00:38:54,369
economical and most complete medical

869
00:39:01,469 --> 00:38:58,029
science or any variations thereof have

870
00:39:03,749 --> 00:39:01,479
been on pro homeopathy sites not in any

871
00:39:07,409 --> 00:39:03,759
independent archives of gandhi's ratings

872
00:39:11,819 --> 00:39:07,419
or speeches as such I think it's a fair

873
00:39:13,890 --> 00:39:11,829
call to label the quote as unverified so

874
00:39:16,049 --> 00:39:13,900
to summarize the world homeopathy

875
00:39:18,329 --> 00:39:16,059
Awareness Week organizers have used an

876
00:39:20,729 --> 00:39:18,339
unverified quote from a source whose

877
00:39:22,739 --> 00:39:20,739
health advice is highly questionable to

878
00:39:24,689 --> 00:39:22,749
promote awareness of a modality for

879
00:39:27,390 --> 00:39:24,699
which there is no evidence of efficacy

880
00:39:31,049 --> 00:39:27,400
in treating disease greater than that of

881
00:39:34,499 --> 00:39:31,059
a placebo world homie of the Awareness

882
00:39:36,659 --> 00:39:34,509
Week 2015 once again helping to arrays

883
00:39:41,789 --> 00:39:36,669
public awareness that homeopathy is

884
00:39:44,599 --> 00:39:41,799
bulldust for more evidence please you

885
00:39:47,909 --> 00:39:44,609
can find my blog at evidence please net

886
00:39:50,009 --> 00:39:47,919
evidence places also on Facebook and you

887
00:40:03,810 --> 00:39:50,019
can contact me on twitter at joe

888
00:40:08,470 --> 00:40:06,190
be reasonable it's a podcast in the

889
00:40:10,630 --> 00:40:08,480
merseyside skeptics society hosted by

890
00:40:12,370 --> 00:40:10,640
Michael Marshall in each monthly

891
00:40:14,530 --> 00:40:12,380
interview will examine belief from

892
00:40:16,120 --> 00:40:14,540
outside of the mainstream exploring how

893
00:40:17,920 --> 00:40:16,130
those views are constructed and what

894
00:40:20,530 --> 00:40:17,930
evidence people feel supports their case

895
00:40:22,960 --> 00:40:20,540
on the latest episode i'm joined by alan

896
00:40:25,060 --> 00:40:22,970
butler an offer in historian who

897
00:40:26,860 --> 00:40:25,070
believes the moon and Sarah's have a far

898
00:40:29,770 --> 00:40:26,870
different origin than most astronomers

899
00:40:31,270 --> 00:40:29,780
realize the ultimate conclusion that we

900
00:40:33,780 --> 00:40:31,280
came to and anybody can see this

901
00:40:36,730 --> 00:40:33,790
information either online or in the book

902
00:40:40,090 --> 00:40:36,740
was that the moon must therefore have

903
00:40:42,640 --> 00:40:40,100
been not a naturally occurring but an

904
00:40:46,860 --> 00:40:42,650
engineered object and that it was put

905
00:40:49,900 --> 00:40:46,870
where it was specifically to nurse

906
00:40:52,720 --> 00:40:49,910
infant life on the earth and to the

907
00:40:54,640 --> 00:40:52,730
stage that it's at now hey what Alan had

908
00:40:57,280 --> 00:40:54,650
to say as well as finding back issues of

909
00:41:01,810 --> 00:40:57,290
the show by visiting merseyside skeptics

910
00:41:12,010 --> 00:41:01,820
org UK fold / podcasts are searching be

911
00:41:20,980 --> 00:41:16,480
years may not spooky action at a

912
00:41:25,460 --> 00:41:23,510
well I'm just here skeptics in the pub

913
00:41:27,049 --> 00:41:25,470
in Sydney everyone's rushing around

914
00:41:28,160 --> 00:41:27,059
people are going to the bar people

915
00:41:29,420 --> 00:41:28,170
eating chicken and people are eating

916
00:41:31,849 --> 00:41:29,430
very carefully because we have a

917
00:41:33,799 --> 00:41:31,859
dietician coming on to talk to us later

918
00:41:35,480 --> 00:41:33,809
about healthy eating sevens trying to

919
00:41:37,309 --> 00:41:35,490
eat as healthily as possible or be seen

920
00:41:39,470 --> 00:41:37,319
do eat as healthy as possible we have

921
00:41:41,750 --> 00:41:39,480
someone who comes here every once in a

922
00:41:43,279 --> 00:41:41,760
while who we got in that puzzle and how

923
00:41:45,650 --> 00:41:43,289
often do come along those skeptics in

924
00:41:47,180 --> 00:41:45,660
the pub and twice do you call yourself a

925
00:41:48,680 --> 00:41:47,190
bit of a card-carrying skeptics or

926
00:41:50,809 --> 00:41:48,690
you're a fellow traveler or a camp

927
00:41:53,720 --> 00:41:50,819
follower I literally have a pack of

928
00:41:56,599 --> 00:41:53,730
cards in my bag cool now tell us have

929
00:41:58,069 --> 00:41:56,609
you ever followed a fad diet I'm asking

930
00:41:59,420 --> 00:41:58,079
people about fad diets since we've got a

931
00:42:02,690 --> 00:41:59,430
dietician here tonight have you ever

932
00:42:05,089 --> 00:42:02,700
been on a fad diet yeah I did the Atkins

933
00:42:07,640 --> 00:42:05,099
diet for a little while okay right yeah

934
00:42:09,620 --> 00:42:07,650
okay and how did you go on that did it

935
00:42:11,180 --> 00:42:09,630
actually work it was it was it the fact

936
00:42:14,450 --> 00:42:11,190
you of following something that it work

937
00:42:16,400 --> 00:42:14,460
or had it go um it's just cuz I wasn't

938
00:42:18,799 --> 00:42:16,410
eating or like ninety percent of what it

939
00:42:20,569 --> 00:42:18,809
normally it's oh yeah calories in

940
00:42:21,950 --> 00:42:20,579
calories out yeah a lot of diets are

941
00:42:23,359 --> 00:42:21,960
like that you actually knock out a

942
00:42:24,349 --> 00:42:23,369
couple of the group's you'd normally eat

943
00:42:26,089 --> 00:42:24,359
and if you just did that without

944
00:42:27,650 --> 00:42:26,099
following a diet that would happen I

945
00:42:30,049 --> 00:42:27,660
mean I'm almost a bit of weight simply

946
00:42:32,720 --> 00:42:30,059
by not having any chocolate chips or

947
00:42:34,849 --> 00:42:32,730
biscuits in the house or ice cream just

948
00:42:37,130 --> 00:42:34,859
not in the house so I don't have the

949
00:42:38,930 --> 00:42:37,140
opportunity to lapse and eat it and

950
00:42:41,819 --> 00:42:38,940
that's not really a diet that's just

951
00:42:44,670 --> 00:42:41,829
removing those things from your diet

952
00:42:46,349 --> 00:42:44,680
yeah because there's times young man I'd

953
00:42:48,959 --> 00:42:46,359
like some solid fingertips and they're

954
00:42:51,299 --> 00:42:48,969
not there and the server station shut ya

955
00:42:53,309 --> 00:42:51,309
do it and the other question we're

956
00:42:55,650 --> 00:42:53,319
asking people tonight mr. mr. mr. Atkins

957
00:42:57,239 --> 00:42:55,660
diet is that the x-files are coming back

958
00:42:59,549 --> 00:42:57,249
for sixth season that's right the

959
00:43:00,930 --> 00:42:59,559
x-files are back and we're thinking whoa

960
00:43:03,809 --> 00:43:00,940
in a bunch of skeptics here we can offer

961
00:43:05,699 --> 00:43:03,819
them some fantastic plots for their

962
00:43:07,499 --> 00:43:05,709
episode you've got the idea what might

963
00:43:10,499 --> 00:43:07,509
make a good father an idea they could

964
00:43:13,529 --> 00:43:10,509
work with um I reckon an episode where

965
00:43:15,569 --> 00:43:13,539
they are in a NASA facility and that the

966
00:43:19,589 --> 00:43:15,579
episode doesn't have to be about it but

967
00:43:21,209 --> 00:43:19,599
if they just walked past a moon set just

968
00:43:24,209 --> 00:43:21,219
in the background that'd be awesome a

969
00:43:26,099 --> 00:43:24,219
bit like in the James Bond movie well

970
00:43:27,420 --> 00:43:26,109
the one diamonds are forever I think

971
00:43:29,069 --> 00:43:27,430
there's a scene where they're filming at

972
00:43:31,319 --> 00:43:29,079
the moon mission being faked in that

973
00:43:33,719 --> 00:43:31,329
yeah or Capricorn One which is another

974
00:43:35,819 --> 00:43:33,729
great conspiracy one yeah just a little

975
00:43:37,559 --> 00:43:35,829
a little moon landing easter egg better

976
00:43:38,910 --> 00:43:37,569
be awesome and an moulder could just

977
00:43:41,099 --> 00:43:38,920
quickly do a double-take ball keeping

978
00:43:42,599 --> 00:43:41,109
walking yeah that's good hey what is

979
00:43:43,890 --> 00:43:42,609
your favorite conspiracy theory by the

980
00:43:44,969 --> 00:43:43,900
way I like to ask people that while

981
00:43:46,920 --> 00:43:44,979
we're here is there one that you go

982
00:43:48,239 --> 00:43:46,930
that's an interesting one or man that I

983
00:43:50,910 --> 00:43:48,249
just can't get enough of that one makes

984
00:43:53,359 --> 00:43:50,920
me laugh the Illuminati is pretty

985
00:43:55,890 --> 00:43:53,369
interesting i reckons because it's so

986
00:43:57,959 --> 00:43:55,900
attractive to think that there's a big

987
00:44:01,140 --> 00:43:57,969
cabal behind the scenes it's so nebulous

988
00:44:02,729 --> 00:44:01,150
too because depending on who you talk to

989
00:44:04,650 --> 00:44:02,739
that there they can be different sort of

990
00:44:07,199 --> 00:44:04,660
people all together yeah yeah so I mean

991
00:44:08,930 --> 00:44:07,209
I think everyone thinks it at some point

992
00:44:11,489 --> 00:44:08,940
because I always think the government is

993
00:44:13,430 --> 00:44:11,499
like working nefariously in some way or

994
00:44:16,140 --> 00:44:13,440
another so yeah it's very easy

995
00:44:17,819 --> 00:44:16,150
conspiracy theory to think okay look

996
00:44:19,259 --> 00:44:17,829
just this week I've heard some great

997
00:44:21,089 --> 00:44:19,269
stuff on a few of the shows i listened

998
00:44:23,279 --> 00:44:21,099
to I've heard some great flat earth

999
00:44:24,839 --> 00:44:23,289
stuff which you think Mike everyone's

1000
00:44:29,219 --> 00:44:24,849
given up on that but it's making a

1001
00:44:30,749 --> 00:44:29,229
comeback yeah it's so yeah there's not

1002
00:44:32,249 --> 00:44:30,759
much to say about that one and of course

1003
00:44:33,599 --> 00:44:32,259
I do a skipper on this and I don't

1004
00:44:35,039 --> 00:44:33,609
believe we've spoken before and that is

1005
00:44:37,049 --> 00:44:35,049
if there was one sort of what's the

1006
00:44:39,509 --> 00:44:37,059
favorite whew that gets your goat the

1007
00:44:40,720 --> 00:44:39,519
whew that annoys you the most it's got

1008
00:44:43,180 --> 00:44:40,730
to be honey update

1009
00:44:47,950 --> 00:44:43,190
okay gotta be home real face because I

1010
00:44:50,740 --> 00:44:47,960
it's just this so little evidence and

1011
00:44:53,800 --> 00:44:50,750
it's so implausible and yet it's still

1012
00:44:56,050 --> 00:44:53,810
around Oh Eva Joe alabaster you probably

1013
00:44:57,220 --> 00:44:56,060
hear all over this episode doing various

1014
00:44:59,530 --> 00:44:57,230
things what have been up to with your

1015
00:45:01,360 --> 00:44:59,540
bat cave up there in the mountains I've

1016
00:45:02,170 --> 00:45:01,370
been batting my nerd yeah well I tell

1017
00:45:04,180 --> 00:45:02,180
you what and I think you're in the

1018
00:45:07,450 --> 00:45:04,190
skeptical magazine this month are you i

1019
00:45:09,310 --> 00:45:07,460
am i'm in there twice actually um my

1020
00:45:11,350 --> 00:45:09,320
report on what happened at the

1021
00:45:13,330 --> 00:45:11,360
convention this year and also a report

1022
00:45:16,660 --> 00:45:13,340
on chem trails which is an adapted

1023
00:45:19,150 --> 00:45:16,670
podcast that's that's pretty cool now

1024
00:45:20,830 --> 00:45:19,160
we've been talking about The X Files

1025
00:45:22,240 --> 00:45:20,840
have been talking about fad diets we've

1026
00:45:25,390 --> 00:45:22,250
got a dietitian here tonight have you

1027
00:45:27,610 --> 00:45:25,400
ever tried a bit of a fad diet no I

1028
00:45:29,830 --> 00:45:27,620
haven't actually I do recall my mother

1029
00:45:32,890 --> 00:45:29,840
tried one a while ago well when I was a

1030
00:45:35,010 --> 00:45:32,900
child that I actually took part in which

1031
00:45:37,300 --> 00:45:35,020
involved having a lot of omelets and

1032
00:45:40,300 --> 00:45:37,310
something called beef tea which was

1033
00:45:42,670 --> 00:45:40,310
basically a stock you beef to beef tea

1034
00:45:44,740 --> 00:45:42,680
it's a stock cube in hot water and

1035
00:45:46,870 --> 00:45:44,750
somebody's giving me the thumbs up here

1036
00:45:49,870 --> 00:45:46,880
so I so anybody had this diet was

1037
00:45:52,030 --> 00:45:49,880
supposed to work I'm guessing that it

1038
00:45:54,910 --> 00:45:52,040
was sort of a reasonably high protein

1039
00:45:58,029 --> 00:45:54,920
very low carb kind of issues so maybe a

1040
00:46:03,499 --> 00:46:00,499
and we're asking what about the x-files

1041
00:46:05,900 --> 00:46:03,509
cuz you know mold up a sexy guy Gillian

1042
00:46:08,479 --> 00:46:05,910
Anderson a sexy woman and they're both

1043
00:46:11,359 --> 00:46:08,489
scientists kind of except he's not but

1044
00:46:14,029 --> 00:46:11,369
thinks he is come on David Duchovny with

1045
00:46:15,859 --> 00:46:14,039
his pants off for goodness sake he's no

1046
00:46:19,009 --> 00:46:15,869
david bowie but it's coming pretty close

1047
00:46:20,569 --> 00:46:19,019
i suppose yeah probably 2nd Duke are

1048
00:46:24,170 --> 00:46:20,579
mcglaughlin I reckon in the pants off

1049
00:46:27,680 --> 00:46:24,180
Department David Bowie still going with

1050
00:46:30,529 --> 00:46:27,690
Bowie I'll Emily and work if you could

1051
00:46:31,910 --> 00:46:30,539
do it all be involved in an x-files plot

1052
00:46:34,279 --> 00:46:31,920
for an episode what would it be Joe

1053
00:46:35,660 --> 00:46:34,289
alabaster Oh see I've got two favorite

1054
00:46:37,579 --> 00:46:35,670
episodes but I'm going to go with the

1055
00:46:39,739 --> 00:46:37,589
one that was the most fun the one that

1056
00:46:41,870 --> 00:46:39,749
actually had Jim rose and the ending

1057
00:46:43,880 --> 00:46:41,880
marina there was one based on freak

1058
00:46:45,049 --> 00:46:43,890
shows I'd like to see more of that

1059
00:46:47,930 --> 00:46:45,059
actually cuz i find that sort of thing

1060
00:46:49,609 --> 00:46:47,940
quite fascinating yeah just just for the

1061
00:46:51,890 --> 00:46:49,619
record my favorite one is the episode

1062
00:46:54,049 --> 00:46:51,900
that has the alien abduction at the

1063
00:46:56,809 --> 00:46:54,059
beginning and the alien abduction to get

1064
00:46:58,670 --> 00:46:56,819
alien abducted it's fantastic it's got

1065
00:47:00,859 --> 00:46:58,680
Charles Nelson Reilly in and what more

1066
00:47:04,700 --> 00:47:00,869
could you want the toughest man ever to

1067
00:47:06,739 --> 00:47:04,710
be on television David Bowie look David

1068
00:47:10,969 --> 00:47:06,749
Bowie's no Charles Nelson Reilly I'll

1069
00:47:12,499 --> 00:47:10,979
have you know that William Shatner

1070
00:47:15,170 --> 00:47:12,509
William Shatner should be on an episode

1071
00:47:17,450 --> 00:47:15,180
of wax files what was I thinking James

1072
00:47:20,660 --> 00:47:17,460
Spader actually I'm gonna go James lame

1073
00:47:22,640 --> 00:47:20,670
spider Bruce Willis karma blokland and

1074
00:47:24,920 --> 00:47:22,650
William Shatner on the same episode of

1075
00:47:27,890 --> 00:47:24,930
the x-files why not go boston legal

1076
00:47:31,729 --> 00:47:27,900
crossover oh I'm hyperventilating I'm

1077
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gonna have to sit down well he would

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Jessica singer now or have you ever been

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00:47:36,469 --> 00:47:35,519
on a fad diet you strike me someone who

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probably would never have done that

1081
00:47:41,569 --> 00:47:38,969
you're absolutely right i have never

1082
00:47:43,020 --> 00:47:41,579
been on a fad diet firstly i love food

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00:47:45,600 --> 00:47:43,030
too much

1084
00:47:48,000 --> 00:47:45,610
I love all types of food and and that's

1085
00:47:50,700 --> 00:47:48,010
from being quite a fussy as a child so

1086
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I'm quite proud that now I eat things

1087
00:47:54,810 --> 00:47:52,930
from all food groups so what about any

1088
00:47:57,480 --> 00:47:54,820
peer group pressure to go on a fad diet

1089
00:47:59,160 --> 00:47:57,490
at any stage has no effect on me

1090
00:48:01,530 --> 00:47:59,170
whatsoever like I said I love food too

1091
00:48:04,530 --> 00:48:01,540
much also my mother-in-law is a

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dietician so I hey I have access to a

1093
00:48:09,510 --> 00:48:06,460
lot of very sound common sense

1094
00:48:13,170 --> 00:48:09,520
scientifically based information on good

1095
00:48:20,100 --> 00:48:13,180
diet good nutrition and all of that your

1096
00:48:23,040 --> 00:48:20,110
complete aberration I don't think I'm an

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00:48:26,370 --> 00:48:23,050
aberration because my my weaknesses are

1098
00:48:30,060 --> 00:48:26,380
the four C's chocolate champagne cheese

1099
00:48:31,500 --> 00:48:30,070
oh and ice cream I don't so okay I'm so

1100
00:48:33,090 --> 00:48:31,510
gonna say cocaine I thought which

1101
00:48:35,700 --> 00:48:33,100
explains why you don't gain weight but

1102
00:48:39,120 --> 00:48:35,710
no champagne of course here no no I look

1103
00:48:41,520 --> 00:48:39,130
I'm i actually do gain weight I'm I am

1104
00:48:44,310 --> 00:48:41,530
very careful about what I eat but I make

1105
00:48:48,030 --> 00:48:44,320
sure I have a balanced diet and I make

1106
00:48:49,560 --> 00:48:48,040
sure that I have a nutritious diet as

1107
00:48:51,990 --> 00:48:49,570
well with you have all the all the

1108
00:48:53,820 --> 00:48:52,000
vitamins and minerals and I need for

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00:48:54,930 --> 00:48:53,830
good health let's move from one end of

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00:48:56,160 --> 00:48:54,940
the alphabet to the other you've talked

1111
00:48:58,170 --> 00:48:56,170
about the Seas let's talk about the

1112
00:48:58,980 --> 00:48:58,180
x-files if they're coming back and

1113
00:49:01,470 --> 00:48:58,990
because everyone thinks David

1114
00:49:05,610 --> 00:49:01,480
accompanies sexy he's almost up there

1115
00:49:07,320 --> 00:49:05,620
with William Shatner I think he's over

1116
00:49:08,910 --> 00:49:07,330
and above William Shatner okay well

1117
00:49:09,960 --> 00:49:08,920
we'll agree to differ on that one there

1118
00:49:12,450 --> 00:49:09,970
what what do you think could be a

1119
00:49:14,070 --> 00:49:12,460
possible plot for their season oh well

1120
00:49:18,450 --> 00:49:14,080
well yeah if we're talking about diet

1121
00:49:19,650 --> 00:49:18,460
nutrition why not poisoning and yes so

1122
00:49:21,180 --> 00:49:19,660
there's something everyone's eating and

1123
00:49:23,610 --> 00:49:21,190
it turns out that it's some sort of plot

1124
00:49:28,110 --> 00:49:23,620
to poisonous yeah dastardly deed a

1125
00:49:30,750 --> 00:49:28,120
conspiracy yeah psychopathic poisoner

1126
00:49:34,080 --> 00:49:30,760
whoo-hoo spikes something with no spikes

1127
00:49:35,340 --> 00:49:34,090
some some okay basically ya like like

1128
00:49:39,510 --> 00:49:35,350
something there's something that's even

1129
00:49:40,680 --> 00:49:39,520
more insidious and fluoride yes look at

1130
00:49:41,670 --> 00:49:40,690
thank you for your input on that one

1131
00:49:43,770 --> 00:49:41,680
I'll send that straight off of the

1132
00:49:46,410 --> 00:49:43,780
producers thank you very much i wanna i

1133
00:49:47,970 --> 00:49:46,420
want a royalty please well I got a

1134
00:49:50,940 --> 00:49:47,980
reasonably healthy looking man here who

1135
00:49:54,990 --> 00:49:50,950
have we sir richard richard ever gone on

1136
00:49:58,200 --> 00:49:55,000
a fad diet not so much fad diets i've

1137
00:50:01,280 --> 00:49:58,210
tried various products including a

1138
00:50:03,720 --> 00:50:01,290
substance that's supposed to UM

1139
00:50:05,730 --> 00:50:03,730
expanding your stomach that one right

1140
00:50:07,140 --> 00:50:05,740
and how did you go on now did you have a

1141
00:50:09,480 --> 00:50:07,150
rebound effect with it or do you just

1142
00:50:12,990 --> 00:50:09,490
give it away I go but a white didn't

1143
00:50:14,700 --> 00:50:13,000
work ok fair enough and what about an

1144
00:50:16,530 --> 00:50:14,710
episode of The X Files have been asking

1145
00:50:19,500 --> 00:50:16,540
people The X Files are coming back well

1146
00:50:20,880 --> 00:50:19,510
any plot device or I do you think they

1147
00:50:23,880 --> 00:50:20,890
could use in their episode that you've

1148
00:50:27,510 --> 00:50:23,890
been thinking oh look the I a gel

1149
00:50:30,510 --> 00:50:27,520
formula rum beautiful women sex and

1150
00:50:32,340 --> 00:50:30,520
monsters never fails get that tube yeah

1151
00:50:36,330 --> 00:50:32,350
well I'm yeah you should be a Hollywood

1152
00:50:38,520 --> 00:50:36,340
producer man yeah just put foot words in

1153
00:50:40,650 --> 00:50:38,530
a hat so and David accompanied with no

1154
00:50:42,330 --> 00:50:40,660
pants well following his career what

1155
00:50:45,420 --> 00:50:42,340
he's done he's done he's done something

1156
00:50:47,370 --> 00:50:45,430
for the red shoe diaries oh yeah oh yeah

1157
00:50:50,850 --> 00:50:47,380
he's done the x-files and Eddie's did

1158
00:50:52,750 --> 00:50:50,860
did California fornication yeah seems to

1159
00:50:55,660 --> 00:50:52,760
be a theme going here

1160
00:50:59,650 --> 00:50:55,670
it is yeah thanks a hell yeah we'll get

1161
00:51:01,210 --> 00:50:59,660
straight on to them about their yeah I'm

1162
00:51:04,090 --> 00:51:01,220
just watching at a discreet distance

1163
00:51:07,240 --> 00:51:04,100
which is Saunders allowing a table of

1164
00:51:08,860 --> 00:51:07,250
people with these spoon bending whole

1165
00:51:10,090 --> 00:51:08,870
bunch of people haven't seen it and of

1166
00:51:14,560 --> 00:51:10,100
course they're wondering how he bends it

1167
00:51:16,510 --> 00:51:14,570
I wonder that myself sometimes let's

1168
00:51:18,880 --> 00:51:16,520
listen in as rich in Wales the table

1169
00:51:25,120 --> 00:51:18,890
with his spoon bending apparently

1170
00:51:26,740 --> 00:51:25,130
paranormal ability if you petite them

1171
00:51:28,780 --> 00:51:26,750
another time then you'll get metal

1172
00:51:30,610 --> 00:51:28,790
fatigue you more break right that's not

1173
00:51:33,940 --> 00:51:30,620
what it's presumably that's what you're

1174
00:51:54,130 --> 00:51:33,950
making happen all I can say is I don't

1175
00:52:00,289 --> 00:51:57,469
ein grosses hello an ally Dawson to her

1176
00:52:01,880 --> 00:52:00,299
that the skeptics on podcasts boosted

1177
00:52:03,950 --> 00:52:01,890
year does aashayein Deutschland and in

1178
00:52:06,380 --> 00:52:03,960
skeptic a fab and kept her vital

1179
00:52:11,329 --> 00:52:06,390
information Oberon's on the skeptic

1180
00:52:15,709 --> 00:52:11,339
magazine reserved vvv point gavey OOP a

1181
00:52:18,859 --> 00:52:15,719
punk talk hv dejala vvv font give a

1182
00:52:36,800 --> 00:52:18,869
rupee potok hold on to the officer and

1183
00:52:41,760 --> 00:52:39,510
blow me down with a piece of toast what

1184
00:52:44,580 --> 00:52:41,770
an episode action-packed put gluten-free

1185
00:52:47,250 --> 00:52:44,590
gluten-free I do enjoy a gluten-free

1186
00:52:49,830 --> 00:52:47,260
skeptic zone I i have my gluten with

1187
00:52:51,270 --> 00:52:49,840
other podcast you know yeah I feel like

1188
00:52:53,520 --> 00:52:51,280
I've gained no weight whatsoever during

1189
00:52:57,839 --> 00:52:53,530
the show how about you Joe i have sat on

1190
00:52:59,640 --> 00:52:57,849
my glutes come on Richard pick it up get

1191
00:53:01,530 --> 00:52:59,650
it together man you're a professional I

1192
00:53:03,000 --> 00:53:01,540
am I'm corpsing on my own show this is

1193
00:53:04,200 --> 00:53:03,010
terrible thank you know but thank you

1194
00:53:06,120 --> 00:53:04,210
everybody for listening the skipper's

1195
00:53:08,130 --> 00:53:06,130
own this week coming up on the skeptics

1196
00:53:09,570 --> 00:53:08,140
own more reports from Joe Heidi and you

1197
00:53:12,420 --> 00:53:09,580
may not and I don't know what else

1198
00:53:13,470 --> 00:53:12,430
actually I'm I'd actually like to thank

1199
00:53:15,690 --> 00:53:13,480
the people that put a little bit of

1200
00:53:17,520 --> 00:53:15,700
money into the skeptic zone each week I

1201
00:53:18,480 --> 00:53:17,530
know Richard thanks you all but I'd like

1202
00:53:19,770 --> 00:53:18,490
to thank you on behalf of all the

1203
00:53:21,480 --> 00:53:19,780
skeptics here because a lot of people

1204
00:53:23,220 --> 00:53:21,490
really listen to the show and we didn't

1205
00:53:25,170 --> 00:53:23,230
always get feedback from people but we

1206
00:53:26,520 --> 00:53:25,180
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1207
00:53:28,200 --> 00:53:26,530
you give each month that really keeps

1208
00:53:30,450 --> 00:53:28,210
the show together because I see Richard

1209
00:53:32,910 --> 00:53:30,460
getting very tense when it comes towards

1210
00:53:34,770 --> 00:53:32,920
a Sunday he [\h__\h] this tide he doesn't

1211
00:53:36,330 --> 00:53:34,780
wear the right combination of socks it's

1212
00:53:39,030 --> 00:53:36,340
just not a good look and he goes for

1213
00:53:41,700 --> 00:53:39,040
that on a weekly basis I do i do

1214
00:53:43,589 --> 00:53:41,710
listeners it's just it's a pitiful sight

1215
00:53:46,380 --> 00:53:43,599
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1216
00:53:49,349 --> 00:53:46,390
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1217
00:53:51,570 --> 00:53:49,359
coming up next week I think next week we

1218
00:53:55,050 --> 00:53:51,580
have an interview with the Hungarian

1219
00:53:56,880 --> 00:53:55,060
skeptics yeah they contacted me in the

1220
00:53:58,770 --> 00:53:56,890
end I said great let's have an interview

1221
00:53:59,940 --> 00:53:58,780
so that should be coming up to do they

1222
00:54:04,829 --> 00:53:59,950
know the woman that was on Green Acres

1223
00:54:07,109 --> 00:54:04,839
oh that was a vagabond yeah yeah I don't

1224
00:54:09,930 --> 00:54:07,119
draw shoes Hungarian I think she was in

1225
00:54:11,040 --> 00:54:09,940
a snow well okay and Joe you wanna say I

1226
00:54:12,990 --> 00:54:11,050
think before we go here it's been a

1227
00:54:15,780 --> 00:54:13,000
great action-packed calorie free gluten

1228
00:54:17,130 --> 00:54:15,790
free show I'm just curious as to whether

1229
00:54:19,050 --> 00:54:17,140
the piece of toast that was blowing you

1230
00:54:21,810 --> 00:54:19,060
down contained any gluten this will make

1231
00:54:23,490 --> 00:54:21,820
your yeast rise I couldn't have said it

1232
00:54:25,410 --> 00:54:23,500
better myself may not I couldn't have

1233
00:54:27,420 --> 00:54:25,420
said it better myself but for this week

1234
00:54:29,880 --> 00:54:27,430
this is Richard Saunders may night and

1235
00:54:32,430 --> 00:54:29,890
Joe alabaster signing off from Sydney

1236
00:54:34,200 --> 00:54:32,440
Australia and it's pronounced fennel and

1237
00:54:38,130 --> 00:54:34,210
allene I'm going to go get someone right

1238
00:54:44,319 --> 00:54:40,569
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00:54:47,230 --> 00:54:44,329
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